"Keep 9" Is the Solution ~ Let's Stop Dem Court Packing!!!

Roman Buhler never thought he'd see the day where the 'Left' would so actively try to undermine this nation through the packing of the Supreme Court. A constitutional amendment, presented with a Democrat helping the coalition, to say the the Supreme Court will consist with 9 justices. Roman looks behind the left wing members of Congress; involving the pro-abortion crowd, the teachers unions, folks who want to take away 2nd Amendment rights, the quota civil rights crowd wanting racial quotas, and Wall Street to empower regulators to enrich Green New Deal policies, and the most dangerous of all the Democrat election lawyers that want to get rid of the Electoral College. Young voters are key. Roman packs his coalition with the Gen Z folks that are strongly engaged to join Roman's coalition to initiate this new constitutional amendment. "We need another revolution", Roman said. In Trump's 2017 inauguration, Donald Trump said "it's time to transfer power out of Washington and back to the states and the people." "Laws must be made by elected officials" he said, "not by administrative decree. That would be the NEXT amendment."

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“Keep 9” Is the Solution ~ Let’s Stop Dem Court Packing!!!

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"Keep 9" Is the Solution ~ Let's Stop Dem Court Packing!!!

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Gene Valentino: Hi friends, Gene Valentino. Welcome to another episode of Gene Valentino's GrassRoots TruthCast. We have watched in the past few years, and certainly since Donald Trump's reelection a [00:01:00] transformation. I. And almost a psychosis of transformation that seems to have occurred not only in the social environments, but in the political environment as well.

And we have watched some things transform literally overnight. I. On so many levels that it's like drinking water out of a fire hose. We're here with two guests of mind. Bill Moher, who's a, a political operative who's a, a technology geek buddy of mine and is and was a former candidate for United States Congress as I was here in Florida.

And our special guest this week, which Bill and I will both entertain is Roman Buhler. You ever heard of Keep Nine? Well, keep Nine is an initiative to limit the Supreme Court seats to nine. And how we do it the way we do it walked into a very interesting conversation of who's gonna be helping [00:02:00] keep nine and his coalition group called the Madison Coalition, which is shepherding this initiative nationwide.

This is a story that's transformative right after this.

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Gene Valentino: Welcome back to the GrassRoots TruthCast Folks for another great episode. My guest today, as mentioned earlier, bill Moher and Roman Buhler.

I'm gonna let each of them expound a little further on their backgrounds because it's so diverse Roman. First, you, thank you for joining us, sir. I'm glad to have you here today to talk about, hopefully, what becomes a constitutional amendment, freezing the number of seats on the Supreme Court, yes or no.

Yes. So would you be 

Roman Buhler: okay with that? I'd be good. That's, that's, that's the project. That's how we save the 

Gene Valentino: country. And you came to me and to my audience through my dear friend Bill Moher. Bill, say hello. And how did this all happen between you and 

Bill Moher: Roman? I. Thanks [00:04:00] Jean. I met Ro Roman at a at a leadership institute breakfast.

And we kept running into each other as I was on the campaign trail and going to different political events, particularly in the state of. Virginia I couldn't avoid Roman. And, and as I heard about Keep Nine, I became a, a supporter. And, and I, and, and, and I wanna help take, keep Nine to the next logical step and get the, get the amendment rolling.

With, with all of the with all the, with all, all of the, the people that I know from, from Congress, the, the, the people in Virginia and and the other. Other Republicans and Democrats who are, who are committed to this nationwide. You know, I was watching, 

Gene Valentino: Chuck Schumer, Senator Chuck Schumer just a year or two ago take on a threat against [00:05:00] chief Justice Gorsuch, I believe it was.

That the wrath of God or something, some metaphor he used was going to Cal and come cascading down upon him. If Gorsuch did something one way or the other, was to me, an imposition of the autonomy of the Supreme Court. And one of the ways that Schumer was trying to effectuate this change, Roman was to was to impact the Supreme Court by making Justice Gorsuch's.

Opinion less valuable or diluted in any event By packing the court a whole concept of packing the court and putting more justices on the court. Now, between us guys, nine's enough, I'm having trouble figuring out why we need. 13 or any other higher number to, to me I think the justices can synthesize more effectively amongst themselves at that level.

And to get any larger, it'd be somewhat [00:06:00] diluted, but more fundamentally, where are you coming from on the Supreme Court case? Excuse, excuse the number of justices on the Supreme Court. 

Roman Buhler: So, a little bit about my background. I, I started in GrassRoots politics in California many years ago. My big break was that Newt Gingrich hired me in 1989 to come back and be his first house committee council.

I spent 14 years as the Chief Republican lawyer dealing with election law issues in the House of Representatives. I saw firsthand how the left plans to take over the elections process and r it in their favor. But I never thought I'd see the day. When the left wanted to undermine the independence of the Supreme Court, you look all over the world.

All over the world, and the one thing that tyrants want to do is get control of their Supreme Court so that they can wield unlimited power. And that's what the left wants to do in this country. So, the, the, the story of Keep nine. Is that in, in a few years ago, we [00:07:00] could see the left beginning to talk about packing the court, and I went to someone that you may know former Reagan Attorney General Ed Meese, and I said, ed, you know, they're gonna pack the court.

What do we do? He said, you're right. We need an amendment to prevent them from doing. We need a constitutional amendment, which takes away the power of politicians to manipulate the size of the court. And he said, but it will never work unless we find a Democrat to start it, to lead it. So it took us a year and we found a Democrat, a former Attorney General of Virginia, the late Andy Miller.

Who'd actually run for the United States Senate as a Democrat, lost by 1% of the vote to John Warner, if you remember that name from years ago. But he was a democrat in good standing. He agreed to lead the movement and we launched with a bipartisan coalition. 15 former state attorneys, General, half Republican, half Democrat, and that's how this movement got started.

And the amendment simply says, the Supreme Court shall be composed of the United States, shall [00:08:00] be composed of nine justices. What it means is that politicians will no longer be able to manipulate the size of the court to bring it under their control. And democracy depends on an independent court. Just like the Super Bowl depends on an independent referee.

You couldn't have a Super Bowl if the home team controlled the referees. And so that's what we're fighting for is the, the, the ultimate institution that protects limited constitutional government in America. 

Gene Valentino: I. What would you think would be the main reason why certain members of Congress would like to fight you just as hard to prevent this from not being frozen, uh uh, to allow it to expand?

What, where's the thinking coming from to do otherwise? 

Roman Buhler: So, I think it's helpful to look behind the left wing members of Congress and look at the interest groups that control them. So to start off, you have. The. The, the pro-abortion crowd, they want a, [00:09:00] a packed court so they can reverse Dobbs now, but behind them are an even more dangerous opponent, and that is the teacher's unions and the public employee unions.

And they want a packed court for one very simple reason. They wanna reverse a decision that prohibits them from collecting dues from non-members. So if they pack the court, they reverse that decision, they get hundreds of millions of dollars a year in new money. And so. They're the, they're, they're a driving force.

Then you take the folks who wanna destroy Second Amendment rights, who wanna confiscate firearms. They can't do that without reversing the Supreme Court decision that says that firearms ownership Second Amendment guarantees individuals the rights to own firearms. Look at the so-called civil rights crowd, which is really the, I call 'em the quota crowd that wanna restore racial quotas for college admissions and discriminate against racial groups they don't like.

They need a new Supreme Court. Look at the groups the folks on Wall [00:10:00] Street that have invested billions in these green New Deal schemes. They need a pact Supreme Court to empower the regulators that will force the public to buy the cars and the dishwashers and all the other. Mm-hmm. Stuff that doesn't work but will enrich their green New Deal pals in in Wall Street, and then the most dangerous group of all.

Are the election lawyers, the democratic election lawyers that wanna get rid of the protections against voter fraud that want to nationalize control of elections that wanna get rid of the electoral college so that they can basically cheat their way to long-term dominance In American politics, they can't do that.

Unless they reverse the Supreme Court decision that allows voter ID requirements, and they can't do that unless they can nationalize elections, which the Supreme Court would rule is unconstitutional. So when Schumer looks at the people who fund him, the teachers unions and the pro-abortion groups, and all the other woke cultural groups and the bureaucrats and the Wall Street Green [00:11:00] New Deal folks, he's basically their puppet and they can't get done what they wanna get done without packing the court.

And if. I want your listeners to remember. One thing is that if we are living, we are living, we are on the Titanic, we're headed straight for the iceberg. The next time the left gets a majority, they are going to get rid of the Senate filibuster. They're gonna add a new state or two, and they're gonna pack the court.

And when they pack the court, everything that limited government conservatives have worked for for the last 50 years is going down the tubes and it's gonna happen unless we find a way to stop them. And we can't stop 'em by winning elections. Sooner or later they're gonna win election. That's why it's, this amendment is so critical for America's future.

Gene Valentino: One of the things I think you offered that I thought was most interesting is that you needed a Democrat involved with this to get it to take it over the line, if you will to get the majority needed in [00:12:00] the House or Senate for a constitutional amendment. This process slightly different than what everyone's used to.

Coming with a democrat at the helm is comparable to what I'm hearing you say. You've got going with these interns, coming in to see you explain the intern program through the Madison Coalition. And then Bill, feel free to jump in on some of this. 

Roman Buhler: So one of the most exciting things that we've discovered in this effort is that it really, really, really appeals to the younger Generation, younger voters.

They may be more liberal in some issues, but as we saw in this last election, a lot of them went for Trump, but they don't have the same party loyalty that, that that previous Generations of young people had. And one of their big things is they don't trust politicians. So when they, and the other thing that is that they are looking for opportunities to, for, for people to work together.

A lot of them would like to see. People work together on bigger [00:13:00] issues. And so when they hear that there is an effort to preserve the independence of the Supreme Court, which preserves basically the integrity of the political system, they're interested. And we now have, we have, I think the latest number, I think we have 17 interns who have signed up to work for us for two months this summer.

Many, many of them would define themselves as center or center left, and I think we have some others who are, who are hardcore conservatives. I'm gonna be interviewing a law student from Liberty University tomorrow. He's very excited about it. But the idea of getting these people to work together on an effort that will strengthen checks and balances against power.

If we do this right, we could build a movement of young people that could essentially force even Democrats who don't wanna support this amendment to support it, because if they don't [00:14:00] they could lose their opportunity to win young voters in the next election. And we'll test that this summer as we reach out and talk to the, you know, hundreds and even thousands of young people who are in Washington this summer.

And if it works, we may be able to create a movement. That could significantly impact the 2026 elections. Billy, you wanna 

Gene Valentino: jump in on 

Roman Buhler: that? Yeah, 

Bill Moher: yeah. The, the, the thing I want to add is that when you look at these individual Supreme Court decisions, like the Janus decision I was at a, I was at a dinner where bill Messenger, the the, the gentleman who argued and won that case in the Supreme Court, was was sitting, he was, I was sitting at a, at a table with him and you know, he explained to me that in, in your state, Jean in Florida, the teacher's unions revenues have gone down by over [00:15:00] 50% because they're no longer obligated to join the teacher's union. And. That, that means that this huge and powerful force that is not focused on making kids smarter and better, but is focused on making sure they preserve the summer, VA teachers, summer vacations and tea and high-end teachers pay and are doing things like protecting teachers convicted.

Of of drug dealing in New York City and keeping them on the payroll and, and outta the classroom. These, these these decisions when you explain them to young people even Democrats say, I had no idea that this is, that this, this is how, how this works. You know, the, the, the [00:16:00] Janus, the, the Janus decision is is something that will limit the power of public sector unions and public sector unions shouldn't exist in this country because it's not like, it's not like private, private sector unions where there's a big bad wolf in the form of.

Of, of a giant corporation that is, that's going after and trying to push down their their wages. You know, public sector employees are paid by wages that you and I and every other taxpayer provides to them. And so, some of these, some of these decisions. Like Ro Raman mentioned the the, the people who are crazy about going after and grabbing guns.

Mm-hmm. One of the, one of the guys that endorsed me and that, that [00:17:00] I'm, that I've become friends with is Dick Heller and, and Dick is, is the Washington DC versus Heller case. And that guaranteed that. Individual has a right to own a firearm, not a militia. And it, it allowed handguns le to be legal in Washington, DC And, you know, Gene, the group of, of new, the, the concentrated group of new Handgun registrants, do you know who that is?

In, in Washington DC Not Gen Z. No, it's young African American women. Oh my. And they need guns because they're the ones who are, who are being victimized on the streets of Washington DC in, in neighborhoods that, that are horribly unsafe. And so, you know, he listening, listening to Dick talk about, about these [00:18:00] people who've found him and thanked him because their daughter, their sister, you know, other people were able to to stop an assault or, or a rape because they were carrying a handgun. It's, it is, it's just downright astounding. 

Gene Valentino: Folks, you're watching GrassRoots TruthCast. I'm Gene Valentino, and this is one of our weekly episodes we put out.

Please subscribe and www.Genevalentino.com. You subscribe and we push out these wonderful episodes to you. By email so you don't have to fish around for him. You've just heard some great commentary from Bill Moher, who is a former candidate for United States Congress in Virginia, and he was the, he is the one that introduced me to our other guest here today who we're co-hosting, if you will, is is Mr.

Buhler Roman Buer. Roman or Roman Roman. Excuse me, Roman Buer. Buhler and Roman has [00:19:00] been you know, Roman, what you were talking about with these advocates coming in, younger Generation of folks who insist on this this cap of nine Supreme Court justices. Is in the same week I'm hearing about how much of the Gen Z crowd stayed Republican and insisted on a conservative bent.

They've, it's as if they've something hit 'em on the head or woke 'em up. I don't know what's going on, but the door is swinging back the other way now. And what I'm seeing is these issues. That these young folks are, are trying to get behind is consistent with what Bill, bill has just talked about, about the protection of certain basic constitutional rights that are at, that were at risk or have could have been at risk in the last four years.

Your comment on the backdrop of what's around you on your Keep nine initiative, 

Roman Buhler: so [00:20:00] the. The background is that for the last 50 years, I mean, I came of age political age in 1964. The first one of the first books I read about about politics was Conscience of a Conservative By Bar, by Baric Goldwater.

And Why Not Victory? And the premise then, and the premise now is that when government grows too big. The cost is both freedom and prosperity, and if we don't find a way to restore checks and balances on the growth and abuse of federal power, the growth and a fed an abuse of federal power is gonna continue.

And I believe that in an era in, in our era, when the Democrats are now committed to getting rid of the filibuster the next time they win power, the only way to permanently limit the abuse of power is constitutional. Now we've had 27 constitutional amendments in America. Some of them happened in special circumstances.

Some of them were negotiated, [00:21:00] but in the last. Century. We've had five amendments that significantly impacted American life that came up from the GrassRoots women's right to vote prohibition, repeal of prohibition, presidential term limits in the 18-year-old vote. Every one of those started as way too controversial to pass.

All of them were simple enough that a sixth grade voter could understand them when they became widely known and popular. Public pressure forced their adoption. I think we need a new area. You know, I'm a child of essentially of the, the Reagan revolution and the Gingrich Revolution. I was actually there for the Gingrich Revolution.

We need a another American Revolution and Trump set it actually in his 2017 inaugural address, which is its time to transfer power out of Washington. Back to the states and the people, and if that's the revolution, I'm training young people to lead and looking for current [00:22:00] politicians to lead, and I think there's three specific powers right now that we could take away from politicians and bureaucrats in Washington.

We would have the overwhelming support of the American people. The first one is, of course, the amendment We're talking about the Keep nine Amendment. Very simple. Already backed by 200 members of Congress, the Republican National Committee, 800 state legislators, a wide variety of conservative and GrassRoots groups.

That's amendment number one. Amendment number two would uproot, the administrative state would do what? Donald Trump and. Steve Bannon and others have talked about deconstructing the state, not by repealing regulations that's cutting the grass. It's by taking away the authority of regulators that's ripping up the, the, the weeds by its roots.

And this amendment, which we worked out with Ed Me's help simply says that if a quarter of the house or the Senate. Object to any new proposed [00:23:00] federal, federal regulation. Regardless of its cost, both houses of Congress has to have to approve it. Why a quarter? Because a quarter is always a majority of the minority party, and the minority party ought to have the right to demand a vote on stuff.

So if it requires a vote of Congress to approve these regulations, bureaucrats will no longer be able to impose regulations by administrative decree. They will no longer be able to threaten people that they don't like with regulations, and we can, we can restore the vision of the founders, which is the law laws are made by elected officials.

That's amendment number two, and polling shows it's two to one popular with voters. The third one. There's no text for it yet, but it, we, we, we cannot, we can no longer have the luxury of trusting members of Congress with the authority to borrow money without limits, right? If you have a teenager that's going out and stop putting money on your credit card and there's no limits, your family's gonna go bankrupt.

Congress would make [00:24:00] the worst teenager in America look fiscally responsible, right? They're bankrupting the country. It's a bipartisan thing, and we shouldn't trust them anymore, and we need some kind of an amendment, but we won't get that amendment unless people, like listeners of this program figure out that it's possible to enact them.

So our view is we start with the Keep nine amendment, which is the easiest one. Overwhelming support, absolutely critical. If that works, we begin to build support for the amendment to, to curb the authority of regulators. And as that one gains steam, I think more and more people will say, boy, we've gotta come up.

It's possible to do amendments. Let's see if we can build the broad bipartisan coalition for an amendment that would curb borrowing and save the country from bankruptcy. And just to take a step back. If you were China, you'd say, how do we destroy America? Well, we destroy America the same way America destroyed the Soviet Union.

First you bankrupt them, then you split 'em up, right? So [00:25:00] the Chinese are just hoping we bankrupt ourselves. And then if they can get rid of the Supreme Court when there's a, when there's a, when there's a a fight, American Unity disappears because there's no referee. What would happen to the Super Bowl if there were, if the referee were controlled by one side or the other?

So these reforms are not just about making America a better place, it's about saving saving the world from the threat of totalitarianism if we do it 

Gene Valentino: right, I. This is unbelievable. You're speaking in these terms and we've just met today, but the fact is that these 11 amendments, I call 'em Gino's second Bill of Rights.

Please make an effort to read them. It's on the toolbar on my, on my homepage. It, where have you been? Man, I wish I had this conversation with you. This is absolutely water in the desert to me, because I think the saving of America is incumbent upon this, what I think will be the once in a lifetime opportunity of getting constitutional amendments passed, absent the [00:26:00] Convention of State's process.

If we do it as the Constitution suggests. For first and foremost through the, the Congress, it's, you're gonna need a, a, a super majority in effect in the in, in the Senate and so forth to get this to happen. And the problem I have is that it's been impossible to get the sides to come together and coalesce regardless of Democrat versus Republican because of vitriol.

Has developed. Well, why did the vitriol develop? There was a blind hate for one side over the other. It the merits of the legislation had less to do with whether you were Democrat or Republican in the way and how you were gonna support it. The 27 amendments to the Constitution that you alluded to all speak in terms of rights.

Privileges, entitlements things that were, the constitution itself, the corpus was silent on, [00:27:00] and therefore we had a mechanism, a remedy in place to put amendments to that document in place. And we have over 250 years. It's it's called amendments, but like you're suggesting, Raman, I think that this is a time.

And, and we can seize the opportunity if we, with this Republican House Senate, which hopefully grows in the midterms and the and the president remaining Republican with those three items, we've got the magic sauce to be able to push through in the same lightning speed. We've seen things in these last, four months, we might be able to push through a con a United States constitutional amendment or two more. And the one that's missing in those 27 is behavior, a constitutional provision based on behavior, said differently when you get [00:28:00] elected to office, whether it was Billy and I running for Congress, senate, and so forth.

If we use the weight and power of that office to adversely influence some other side, some other position, someone else's livelihood their legal entitlement to be in office, the abuse the threatened abuse of the court system, the third leg of the stool to encumber you from running in the first place and so forth.

Is a crime, it's a felony, and the elected official perpetrating that fraud gets criminally prosecuted and put in jail. Civil or criminal penalties, or both are needed in a constitutional amendment that's specifically addresses the bad behavior of the people we elected. Right now. Oh, well we've got the act of [00:29:00] treason and we, yeah.

Well, treason also talks about lynching. 'em. I don't think that's gonna happen either. But we need, we need a formidable constitutional amendment that puts pain and suffering upon the elected. No. Yeah. Well, what do you need that for? We got them. The senator in New Jersey just went to jail. Name Escape.

Menendez. Menendez. Yeah. Herman, what's his name? Menendez. Menendez. Of course. Senator Menendez went to jail and his wife may be too. And as a result, it was the abuse of the misuse of the authority and control vested in him. And I. He wasn't hurting another person or a political party that was for self gain.

Or how about a speaker of the house who seems to know who has a 100% track record on how to vote how to invest in the stock market and, and comes into office with maybe a few bucks and [00:30:00] leaves, what is she now close to 40 years in office with a net worth of over a hundred million dollars. Now would someone tell me how we can administer a constitutional amendment of bad behavior that imposes serious and direct?

Painful penalties on these people who they themselves think are insulated from the vote, from the people who put 'em in there. Not withstanding the fact we've got election fraud violation, we've got we, we've got abuse of power with different people on staff. We've got payoff and favoritism going on with the drug industry.

Why? Because of the, the drug lobbyists. And I could go on a constitutional amendment entitled The Bad Behavior Amendment that results in punitive damages and fines to these people. Who did the nation wrong? Who put [00:31:00] themself ahead of the nation, the very people that put 'em in. 

Roman Buhler: What say you, you raise such an important point.

And one of the things if, if, if I, if the, the young people that I bring to Washington, remember one thing is that they've mostly been taught that the members of Congress and the politicians we elect are our leaders. And that somehow our job is to pick them and then follow them. My argument is they are not our leaders.

They are our employees. That's right. They work for us. When you look at how employees behave, politicians mostly behave the same way. They wanna get reelected, they want to get more power. They will do whatever it takes if you ask them. Which is more important, the future of the country in 20 years are getting elected today.

You know what the answer is? The people in a company who care about the future of the company, or not the employees, it's the owners. And my message to these kids and to everybody who's listening on this program is [00:32:00] we are the. Owners of the American experiment, it's our experiment. They work for us. And so if we don't think of ways, it's like you can have the best bread dog from the kennel and if you don't train them, you're gonna have to buy a new rug pretty soon.

And what we need to do is we need to train a Generation of citizen activists that most of the work of self-government. Is holding elected officials accountable and making them do what we want. And my hope is that by getting this very simple amendment, that polling shows would overwhelmingly be supported by the voters.

If we can get this Keep Nine Amendment done, other people. We'll start thinking of other amendments that we need to hold politicians accountable. I once suggested that every member of Congress ought to have their own personal free of charge IRS tax accountant to give [00:33:00] them a full tax audit every single year, right?

So that they would appreciate what ordinary citizens have to go through with this complex tax code. Right. I think the average American would say, what a great idea to have a personal auditor for every, for every member of Congress. But those kinds of ideas won't come up if we rely on Congress for ideas.

We've gotta Generate ideas from below, and I think the biggest challenge we face is that people don't believe that constitutional amendments are possible. And I believe that this particular amendment, they keep nine amendment and other amendments are possible because if we make the public aware that they exist, the public will overwhelmingly support them.

And then. We ask politicians, well, where do you stand? And a politician who won't support the Keep nine Amendment a politician who in effect says, I want politicians to keep the [00:34:00] court, keep the power to pack the court. When those politicians start losing, just like the Republican politicians who started talking about cutting SEC social security, they lost, right?

Yeah. So the modern Republican Party does not talk about cutting social security. It's off the base. If we can take court packing off the Democrat's agenda. They lose every time they talk about it and they lose when they won't support the amendment. That sends a message to every activist in the country.

Amendments are possible and we start thinking about amendments, not to enhance the power of politicians and bureaucrats, but amendments like yours to limit their power. Restore self-government to the country. And so my message to people li who are interested in this effort, who wanna talk about taking the country back from the politicians and the bureaucrats and restoring the rule of law we have a website, it's called madison coalition.org.

And but don't go to the website, contact me. I'm gonna do something [00:35:00] I don't often do. I'm gonna give you my phone number and I want people who are interested to call me or text me. It's a very easy phone number. It's. 2, 5, 5, 5,000. And if you would be interested in hearing more about this movement, we have a conference call every week where leaders gather from all over the country to talk about this strategy.

If you're interested, call me at two oh two two five five 5,000 and I will get back to you. I promise that either I or someone else will get back to you personally and we will talk to you about how you can get involved and make a difference because this effort doesn't happen. 'cause of people like us on this call, it happens because of the people like you who are listening.

And when America gets fired up, things change. Right? That's how the War of Independence happened. That's how slavery ended. That's how women got the right to vote, and that's what we have to do now. We need a movement to take away power from politicians and bureaucrats and restore of the people. Trump's talked about it, but we need a movement to back it up.[00:36:00] 

Gene Valentino: You know, part of the problem goes away with another amendment. So we start with your amendment keep nine, right? But part of the problem goes away when we when we talk in terms of term limits, when we talk in terms of keeping the Chuck Schumers out of the fray for what. 20, 30, 40 years, these folks have built up the cabal that gives them the sense of self right.

And entitlement of their own to to, to do the court packing. You're fighting against I think there's, I. I do agree. You gotta start somewhere and I, I think your nine Supreme Court justice is being protected, is a great place to start. We've been watching way too much Billy, what are you gonna do in Virginia with all these new issues?

Yeah, no, this is, 

Bill Moher: this is, it's clearly in, it's clearly incumbent on. Us as citizens to make our [00:37:00] voices heard and, and to take it to the people who are running for office. So again, in, in the Commonwealth of Virginia the L lieutenant, our current lieutenant governor winsome Earl Sears is running for governor.

She's running to be the first black female governor. In, in the, in this nation's history, and she's a, she's a former Marine, she's a mother and grandmother and a small business owner, an entrepreneur. And she supports this keep the Keep nine Movement. Her opponent, Abigail Span Berger, who is a so-called moderate, and I say so-called moderate because her voting record shows.

That she votes exactly the same way that Nancy Pelosi and Joaquin Jeffries tell her to vote except for two or three votes a year that she [00:38:00] probably gets permission to vote against the, the, the Democrat interest. She's not, she's not a real. She's not a real centrist or, or a, or a moderate as she claims to be, and I think she, if were she still in Congress, she would be somebody who would be advocating for packing the courts because all the issue she cares about require require.

Getting rid of these these good Supreme Court decisions that we, that we've seen in the past in the past five or 10 years. So we've gotta, we've gotta focus our efforts from the GrassRoots up. You know, I want, I want to call on everyone to reach out to their, to their members of Congress and, and their senators and to say.

To indicate to them that they support [00:39:00] this keep nine amendment and I think we can. I think with that kind of GrassRoots support, I. We should be able to see this push through. And again, I think people have this per this, this misinformed perception that the co, that the Constitution is baked because we haven't done an amendment in so long.

And to your point, Jean, I think the advantage of doing an amendment. Like Keep nine is that, is that we show the people that, again, the people are in control. The people are the sovereigns in this nation, and they're the ones who who can who whose, whose rights they can. They, they lend to the government to in, in a limited enumerated fashion.

It's not, not the other way around. It's not this, it's not we don't live in a Soviet style system where the, where the, where the government is, where [00:40:00] where all the rights, where all the rights come from. 

Gene Valentino: Right. This is the GrassRoots for a re I enjoy calling this show The GrassRoots TruthCast. Billy, you, you perfectly typified Why I do.

It's the, it's the GrassRoots. It's from the bottom up, the, the, the, the, the average citizen that gets a chance to be protected and heard on these shows and represented. I, I really think Raman the. Issue of Keep nine. I I'm sold that your approach to going forward with just one amendment is logical and I think it puts into motion a momentum that opens the doors for the others you suggested.

But I think there's more than one issue here. 'cause bad behavior's, pretty damn pervasive the last six to eight years and. I think it's time that people in all three divisions of government get properly punished for wrongdoing. They're not entitled to a lifelong career. [00:41:00] And the elected official who comes in a little wet behind the ears getting pushed around by bureaucrats who've been in close to 40 years themselves ends up being a, here, I know what you promised your citizens, but here's how we do it. Here is what they're running up against when they come into the swamp. I think that there's a place for these bureaucrats to stand down as well. And I think the recent Supreme Court case, surprisingly, was the Chevron case, which which took regulation and said, Hey, you, dEP Army Corps of Engineers. You've gone too far with your regulation and to penalize and, and punish is not the scope of your authority unless it, unless it was vested to you from Congress folks. Raman Buhler is 14 years with. The working for Congress and he comes to us with a lot of savvy experience on what it's gonna take to get a constitutional amendment [00:42:00] through.

I've had a passion about wanting to do it, Ramon, but I'm willing to concede I want one or two or three to get through. My website has. 11 of them all with different levels of concern. It's more of a billboard for you to, a bulletin board for you to look at and please comment on them. Billy, I can't think of a better guest you could have brought to us today in the time we have remaining.

You wanna start, Billy with a final comment for your constituents and, and where you'd like to see Ramon's issue go. 

Bill Moher: Yeah, I, I am, I am. So committed to the keep nine cause, because for all the reasons that you outlined it is, it is the ultimate check on the coequal branch of government, the JU judicial branch, and, the thing that's the thing that, that Roman hasn't talked about is that the other thing, in addition to [00:43:00] reaching out to him and, and and, and c connecting up at a GrassRoots level and reaching out to your, your congressman and pushing them towards this, this right objective. The other thing that we, that.

We'd love to see is and on, on the Keep nine website, you can make donations and we can take both. Uh uh. Political oriented donations, and we can take we can take nonpartisan tax deductible donations. And so I, if, if you don't, if you're not somebody who has a whole lot of time and you're somebody, but you're somebody who has a whole lot of, who has a whole lot of money, we're happy to arm RO Roman with the resources that he needs to get this.

Through the process. He's been thinking about this for, you know, 14 or 15 years, and there is a [00:44:00] lot of, there's a lot of things that he would love to do that he is financially not, not able to do. And that's the other, that's the other thing I want to call on your listeners, if you know. Okay. Even. 

Gene Valentino: Yeah, the, the, the let's, let me help you out there, Raman, since you're not gonna talk about asking for money.

Billy and I are gonna do it for you, Billy. 

Roman Buhler: You can go to madison coalition.org and donate madison coalition.org. And if you wanna do a tax deductible, you call me two oh two two five five 5,000 and we'll set it up for you. 

Gene Valentino: Excellent point. And and you've also given your phone number, so this is unbelievable.

We re and, and I think this is transformative because I'd say it was far reaching a year ago or two years ago after the last a hundred days, I. I, I don't think anything is moving fast enough to impress me anymore. I, I'm pretty impressed with what's happened in the last a [00:45:00] hundred days, almost four months.

Raman, any final thoughts please? 

Roman Buhler: I just want to say that we are at an inflection point in American history. This administration has showed, shown that. I can be done in very short time. I think we are at a point where American people are fired up. Where a bipartisan coalition can be assembled that can overcome the inertia in Washington.

And what we need right now is GrassRoots energy. We need donor energy. We need the energy of politicians. And so again, my closing message is if you wanna help take this country back from the politicians and the bureaucrats, call me. Two oh two two five five 5,000. You have a very special group of listeners.

That's why I'm giving out this phone number. Let's get involved. Let's change this country. 

Gene Valentino: Very good, Roman. In fact, let's take it a step further. We'll take that link in your homepage and get it posted on GrassRoots [00:46:00] TruthCast.com, www.Genevalentino.com, the home of the GrassRoots TruthCast to my two guests, bill Moher and Ramon Buhler.

Both advocates in making America great. I can't thank you enough for joining me here today. This has been a sore spot with me. We need constitutional amendments in place to take the news cycle down from all the. Bickering and the back and forth with conclusive penalties that are formidable, that put people behind bars for behaving about what we whine about every day in the news that needs to be fixed.

This is a perfect solution, starting with the Supreme Court, the court packing this is basically the beginning of more regulation freedom. Donald Trump was on a path with it, but Roman's talking about more of it. And really one of the next constitutional amendments that should follow right behind this [00:47:00] court.

Packing is a balanced budget amendment, which we once had or were working toward. This is a mandate. There's no reason we would be in debt. I used to be county commissioner in Escambia County, Florida for two terms. I'd be shot if I didn't balance the budget each year. Our county budget. It started in the middle of the summer and we had a conclusive budget, but before Thanksgiving, that went for the next fiscal year.

That's what we lived by for the next 12 months, and we didn't spend a dime more than that. Budget allowed. We can do the same here in the United States. We've just got these layers of bureaucrats that are pencil pushers at the desk, tying up your ability to get, defer, get to the bathroom, and that's what, that's the problem around here.

So hopefully they'll clear a. This [00:48:00] Doge thing will clear about whether the libs like it or not. Let's hope Doge really does an enema on that place before Elon goes back to Tesla. Well, gentlemen, thanks for joining me today. I. Thank 

Bill Moher: you, thank you for hosting us and, and always good to always good to catch up on these good critical issues.

Gene Valentino: And we'll, we'll get this we'll get this whole initiative, initiative posted on GrassRootsTruthCast.com. And thank you folks for another episode of the GrassRoots TruthCast. We love bringing these episodes to you and we could use your support. Go to GrassRootsTruthCast.com or. GeneValentino.com and kindly subscribe.

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