"Trump Derangement Syndrome" ~ An Analysis By Dr. Carole Lieberman

Dr. Lieberman is the go-to expert for making sense of America's growing mental health crisis, media hysteria, and political polarization. TDS defined by Dr. Carole Lieberman, M.D. as an irrational quasi-psychotic hatred of anything Trump, which results in rage and over-the-top efforts to destroy him and his work. That includes people around him who are helping him like Elon Musk and RFK, Jr. TDS is flourishing because there's a real fear that he will accomplish so much he promised. Yet, we do not see such adverse behavior by Republicans against Democrats. Republicans concentrate on issues. The Democrats focus on their hate for Trump on a personal level, regardless of his ability to help America. Dr. Lieberman claims that he's doing so much so quickly, to offset opponent blowback. A lot of folks don't do well with change. They're upset that he's finding waste, fraud and abuse.

“Trump Derangement Syndrome” ~ An Analysis By Dr. Carole Lieberman

on the GrassRoots TruthCast with Gene Valentino

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‣ Originally Recorded on March 21, 2025
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"Trump Derangement Syndrome" ~ An Analysis By Dr. Carole Lieberman

Carla Sands: [00:00:00] Hey folks, Carla Sands here putting in a plug for Gene Valentino's GrassRoots TruthCast

Gene Valentino: Hi friends, Gene Valentino and welcome back to another episode of Gene Valentino's GrassRoots TruthCast

I'm very fortunate to have with me today a West Coastie, and I don't hold that against her as long as she doesn't hold my east coast against me. She is. Her name is Dr. Carol Lieberman. Hello, Dr. Thank you for joining us. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Thank you for having me. Um, let me just, uh, I, I am currently, uh, west on the West coast, but I am a New Yorker through and through.

Gene Valentino: I could tell with that voice. You must 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: born and bred. 

Gene Valentino: Born and bred that, that New York accent. Well, I'm from Connecticut, so we're in each other's backyard at one point or another, and Dr. Lieberman is gonna be talking with us today. About the Trump Derangement syndrome TDS. It'll be the springboard for a few [00:01:00] other conversations.

This is a very interesting approach. Correct me if I'm wrong, doctor, and this is gonna be a very interesting approach on how for our own health, we should look at the mental condition of our political and social environment for today, right after this. 

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Gene Valentino: Hi friends. Welcome back to another episode of Gene Valentino's GrassRoots TruthCast we're joined here today with Dr. Carol Lieberman, a psychiatrist original aka, who's now out on the West Coast.

Of course I can say that 'cause I'm a Yankee myself, who ended up in Florida. But, uh, Carol, I think it's the difference without distinction these days, I, I think we're all a big melting pot and everyone's moving around the nation. It really does mean very little. In some senses as to where you're from. How are you doing?

Dr. Carole Lieberman: I'm fine, thank you. 

Gene Valentino: The cons, the reason folks, we have Carol on to Carol, Dr. Lieberman on today is to [00:03:00] discuss in more detail the, uh, concept of the Trump derangement syndrome. We know this. Term came out, uh, some time ago. Uh, it's taken on a life of its own, hasn't it? Uh, it's morphed into an extension of what's happened to Elon Musk in the recent weeks.

Uh, it seems to be a mental it illness or affliction of some sort, uh, transcending to not only key leaders of the Republican party, but anybody espousing a conservative. Point of view. I mean, Carol, how far do we take this nonsense and, and how do we identify it and what do we do about it? It's your show, doctor.

Take it from here. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Well, first of all, um, I've defined Trump Derangement syndrome, uh, as an irrational, quasi psychotic hatred of anything Trump, which results in rage and over [00:04:00] the top efforts to destroy him and his work. And that includes, you know, unfortunately, um, people around him too who, you know, are helping him do his work.

Like Elon Musk, as you mentioned. And, um, RFK Junior. Um, anyone who is trying to help put across the Trump agenda now, you know, it's interesting because one would've thought that this would've been at its height during the election, during the campaign. Uh, and yes, there was of course a lot of it, but it has gotten worse.

Democrats are not, you know, it was too big to fail too, you know, too, too big to rig as Trump said. But, um, so, okay, great. Even though they did still try, but okay, great. So he got to be president, but they are not giving up without a fight in all. Areas, you know, from lawfare, continuing lawfare against, for example, the, uh, the border, the de deportation of criminal, uh, migrants [00:05:00] and, um, uh, putting fire to Teslas and, you know, just, um, swatting.

I mean, there is, there's no end. Well, hopefully there will be an end, but right now it is flourishing. I mean, Trump derangement syndrome is flourishing because there is this fear. That, um, actually he's going to accomplish all the things that he promised. 

Gene Valentino: Is that, is that really what it's about, doctor? I mean, uh, folks, Dr.

Lieberman's known as America's psychiatrist. She's been a trusted voice on TV and radio for decades. Uh, offering sharp, no nonsense psychological insights into some of these breaking news, um, issues du jour. Uh, and, um, doctor, my problem is. I don't know why we see it on such a one-sided level all the time.

I do not see this kind of, uh, behavior again by Republicans [00:06:00] against Democrats before it was sort of a prejudicial comment. Now it's a statement of fact. What say you, 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: uh, yes. You know, um. Even during the campaign, uh, I mean, yes, Republicans don't, Republicans are concentrated on the issues, you know, on fixing America basically.

And, um, whereas for Democrats, you know, it's not all just about the issues. It's about Trump. There is this Trump arrangement syndrome. It's not just about what he wants to do, although of course they don't like that, but it is personal. You know, they, they are intimidated by him. They don't like being, they don't like his being cocky.

They don't like his confidence, you know? Um, all of this. 

Gene Valentino: Yeah. Well, why, why is that? I mean, I, I, I, when I look at you as a psychiatrist and God knows I probably need one. Uh, if I came into you and asked, [00:07:00] I really don't care about you and your personality. I care about you making me, well, why can't people make that distinction?

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Because Trump does have a very, um, outgoing, shall we say, a very. A very cocky, self-confident. I mean, one would hope that, um, our president would be self-confident. I mean, you know, otherwise we'd be in deep trouble. I mean, look at Biden, for example. Yeah, well, he was self confident in a different way. You know, he thought he could get away with murder and he did.

Um, but, um, but no, it's, it's, um, it's, it's particularly people who are, um, intimidated by his. Machoism machismo, um, by his, you know, manliness. Let's, and, um, I have said it, I don't know, I I have said it in another way, that, um, people are, um, intimidated, [00:08:00] um, by bd, his BDE, if you know what that means. 

Gene Valentino: Oh, okay. I think so.

Okay. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: I don't to go further, but, but you know, basically be polite by saying hemo anyhow, and it's, it's interesting because it's especially men. Who are, if a man has TDS Trump arrangement syndrome, um, it is, especially if a person, it, it's especially a man who, um, is intimidated by that part of it. Yeah. You know, women don't like some of his policies.

I mean, women who have TDS are more focused on his policies, you know, like, uh, abortion or something like that. But for men, it is more his personality, his big manly personality. Should I say, 

Gene Valentino: you know, when I was run, I'm a former county commissioner here in the panhandle of Florida. I ran two terms and I would go back at, on my reelection, campaigning trail and I would say, [00:09:00] look, you might be angry about me about this vote I did on a land use matter or this, uh, but you know.

It's hard to make a hundred percent of the people a happy a hundred percent of the time, so. Would you just accept the fact that my passion's in the right place and you know, I really don't need you to like me. I'm not worried about whether you like me or not. I'm worried about whether you believe I'm gonna get anything done for you.

Mm-hmm. And if, if, and if you believe that my door remains open, you've gotta re, you can reach out to me and get to me by phone. And, uh, that I might respond to you. We may not agree a hundred percent a hundred percent of the time, but. I'm the best dog you got in the fight and it's not gonna cost you a dime like some of the antics going on on the deep state Democrat side right now.

But I try to get that message out, doctor, and some accept it and some don't. Some want their own [00:10:00] passionate, hateful puppet in there screaming and ranting and raving just as loud as they are. And. I'm trying to figure out in a constitutional republic like ours, which has survived longer than any other, how in God's name do they expect it to get, be their way a hundred percent of the time?

And therefore, I. If they don't get it their way, are they gonna start spray painting Teslas? Are they gonna start burning up cars? Are they gonna start rioting in the streets because people are not represent, protect, are, are working across purposes against America and legitimately being deported. Why is it that the far left doesn't understand that and labels it?

Trump derangement syndrome. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Well, they don't themselves, Trump syndrome. They 

Gene Valentino: don't. No, we do. Yeah. Yeah. [00:11:00] 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: They don't see it, they don't see it as Trump derangement syndrome. They see it as fighting for the, uh, for America, fighting for, you know, the freedom, fighting for, they'll put all those kinds of words in there when it's actually, of course, the opposite.

But, um, and, and, and, you know, to some degree it's just they get enjoyment out of expressing this rage. Yeah. You know, it's not even about the issue so much. Um. It's so funny because like Tesla's, you know, before he teamed up with Trump, Tesla's was a status symbol if you had a Tesla, you know? And, and now, now of course it's inverse because, because he's, uh, working with Trump, um.

But it's really, you know, when, when, um, Trump ran against Biden, people weren't voting for Biden. I mean, you know, we know that the whole, that the votes were not accurate anyway. But those people who actually did vote for Biden weren't voting for Biden, they were [00:12:00] voting against Trump. They would've voted for a parakeet if the Democrats had put a parakeet up against Trump.

So, um. So it's, it's, it's not, it doesn't, it, you know, that's why I said quasi psychotic. It doesn't make any sense. Now, of course, you know, this is a really dangerous thing. It's, it's showing itself, um, in very dangerous ways. I mean, I don't know that there's been this kind of reaction to a president before, um, to this extent in such dangerous ways.

I mean, like the swatting, for example. Swatting Republicans, um, that's very dangerous. People can get killed and if they keep doing it, somebody will get killed. Uh, you know, all of these, they're, they're just looking for the most to, to get the most attention. It's kind of, it's, it is domestic terrorists. I was gonna say, it's kind of like terrorists who picked the date and the place and all that to make the most impact, like for the media that, you know, to be remembered the most.

I mean, one of it besides being called America psychiatrist, um, I'm [00:13:00] also called the terrorist therapist because since nine 11. I have been working to help people cope with terrorism. I've written two books on terrorism. Um, I do speaking and all kinds of things about terrorism. In fact, I've been talking about it recently.

I just did a tweet this morning about the fire at Heathrow Airport. Um. Well, it was actually at a power, a small power plant next to Heathrow Airport. Right. But made Heathrow, you know, not functional. And so that's caused, of course, a whole chaos in, in traveling and so on. But, but it's like this. That's the kind of thing.

Same thing with nine 11. They picked, you know, they picked the objects, um, the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, um, places where they, their, their message would get across the most strongly. And so that's what these. Um, Trump derangement. People are doing, you know, picking ways to make the most impact, 

Gene Valentino: you know, in terms, 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: in terms of the media, in terms of psychologically the most impact.

Okay. 

Gene Valentino: Yeah. Well, [00:14:00] that's what I was gonna ask you. So you've got Trump derangement syndrome, you've got, um. Media hysteria. You've got, uh, I see a lot of polarization going on politically, primarily, uh, difficulty at Thanksgiving and at the holidays around the dinner table, figuring out what you're gonna talk about and not talk about just to have semblance of order at a family event.

Is this not a mental health crisis of some sort? 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Yes. Yes it is. And I'm actually working on. A, uh, a, a a more complete definition, one in the form of the diagnoses that there are in the DSM, you know, the diagnostic and statistical manual that the American Psychiatric Association puts out. There's a certain format, uh, to it, and I'm working on that.

I've been working on that. 

Gene Valentino: You know, folks, doc, Dr. Carol Lieberman hasn't been working in a vacuum on this either. Um, uh, she's mentioned a few of the books she's written, [00:15:00] including, uh, lions and Tigers and Terrorists. So my, a groundbreaking guide to helping children cope with Terrorism and Bad Girls. Why men love them, and how good girls can learn their.

Secrets my words, doctor. I'm sure there's more you can share. My concern for the limited time we have today is how do we message Trump derangement SER syndrome, uh, against a backdrop of a. Social cultural need were 70 plus percent of the mandate of this nation voted in a Donald Trump. That's un indisputable.

And now he's coming forward to move on the plan and everyone's going, oh my, he's really gonna fix that. He's really a politician who's not lying to get into office, and he really plans to deliver. Why are so many people surprised with Trump derangement syndrome? Even the Democrats disproportionately [00:16:00] should back off and see that this man is coming through with, he's never lied to us before.

Uh, people are obstructing him at every turn. We can talk in a minute about the, uh, court system now trying to stifle his ability to, uh, deliver on the promises he made. What, what's going on in the culture of the thinking? Are we that far off base that people really expect the politician to lie to get into office and not deliver 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Well, I think to be fair, I.

I think well, yes. I mean, you know, people are shocked that he really is planning on delivering. I was at the inauguration and it was so exciting to see him signing the, uh, you know, his executive orders and so on. He had such, you could tell he was so gleeful himself, you know, to, to be able to finally do the things he promised to start, at least to do that.

But, um, but I think one of the [00:17:00] things that is happening is that, um, people are a little overwhelmed. He is doing so much, so quickly and um, you know, I think perhaps unconsciously, I mean besides the fact that he really wants to fix America, make America great again quickly, you know, because to fix there are a lot of things to fix, but I think unconsciously Trump might be worried again unconsciously, if not consciously.

Um, worried, you know, there are so many people out to get him, to kill him, to assassinate him. And I think one of the reasons why he's doing things so quickly is to get as much done as possible while he's still here. Um, you know, before, and, and, and probably he also, he ans anticipated that there was gonna be, uh, some, um, backwards, you know, some blow back.

Um. So he, but you know this, so I think people are, are, to some degree, they're a bit. [00:18:00] Uh, in awe or, uh, afraid, uh, of how, how much is changing so quickly, you know? But of course it's not changing that quickly because he, he has to fight all these things, you know? I mean, people don't do well with change. Uh, a lot of people don't do well with change.

That's right. Part of it that, um, oh, okay, you wanna make it better, but wait, wait, you're doing this and this and this. You know? So some of it is that okay. But, um, of course all the things that he is trying to do are things that need to be done. Yes, the sooner, well, they voted him 

Gene Valentino: in because he was going to, right?

Yes. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Yes. As 

Gene Valentino: it all saying, I like that. I've heard often if you're gonna light in a match, if you're gonna light a match in the gas tank, don't bitch about the explosion. You know? I mean, what do you expect the man is delivering on what he said he was going to do? Now work with him, not against him, which let's focus on Elon Musk as an extension of this.

Um. So here's a guy who didn't need any, uh, [00:19:00] volunteerism with the Trump administration. He could have been very happy focusing in his own little entrepreneurial world, uh, and all his other investments, uh, stepping up to try to do good for America. At the request of the president, he steps up to run a Doge division, which is a, looking at, um.

Uh, government efficiency. He's finding inefficiency all over the place. I have relatives in the government working and they take offense with the level of his, uh, of his, um. Dive deep, dive into all this, uh, waste, fraud, and abuse. Doctor, they're upset because he, the, he's finding the truth and demanding their resignation.

I own a few businesses. I'm an entrepreneur at heart. When I come into a deal, I'm ready to say to everybody, you're all fired. Now those of you who stay. Give me back a, a resume, [00:20:00] for lack of a better word, a, a, a profile on why you think you should hold onto your job and give me your con contribution. Oh, my words.

The people who stayed with me gave contributions back that were so invaluable that they themselves were stifled to bringing forward in the first place. This is a style of management in business, which government bureaucrats are not aware of. And are taking offense to it. They should be happy because they now have the ability to step up and contribute to the solution that they were denied giving.

They were, it's almost like the Stockholm Syndrome. You're beaten into submission, Hey, where's my beating today? I, you know, I, I didn't get it. They, these folks now have the ability to step up and, and, and contribute. To a new wave, a new chapter in the efficiency and, uh, what government's roles should be for the citizens.

I find it the most [00:21:00] refreshing thing possible, but it's so stunning that the backlash or back, like you referred to before, is um, probably intolerable by many. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Yes. Um. You know, first of all, Americans don't, didn't know. I didn't know. I mean, I kind of was, would, was tangentially, tangentially worried about it, but I didn't know how bad it was.

Um, PI Biden didn't let people know. Obama didn't let people know. Um, about just how bad America, how much in debt America. I mean, yes, we hear about the debt, but it never, it was always glossed over like, okay, we're, but that doesn't mean anything. You know, that's not bad. Whereas really it turns out, you know, that we're at the, on the brink of bankruptcy.

So what Doge is doing, what Elon Musk is doing and Trump is doing, is rescuing us basically at the last moment, um, from. From bankruptcy and these things that they have found in that money [00:22:00] is going out to, I mean, besides of course, people who are 150 getting social security, um, and, uh, and these, you know, terrorist organizations.

I mean, I, I just did my, I do a podcast, the terrorist therapist show, and I, my last podcast, um, was about the, all the money that was going out to terrorists, you know, that we were, we were supporting our own demise. And um, and then of course just recently. He found money that was going out to the W World Economic Forum.

We are supporting the people who are against us trying to destroy America. I mean, you know, of course these things have to stop, but the bureaucrats who are losing their jobs, you know, who were part of all this, um, are like little kids, you know? Oh no, you can't take my job away. I mean, I'm sorry about your friends and relatives, but, and I, I hope they're not like that, but.

But I mean, a lot of people, I mean, of course nobody wants to lose their job. I mean, that's true. But, um, but, [00:23:00] but they're, they weren't really doing a good job in a sense, you know, if they were overlooking all these things, all this money going out to, and all the money that went to, um. To things promoting, uh, LGBTQ plus and trans things and all these other countries.

Why are we so, I mean, it just crazy cra you know, this would've made a good movie. 

Gene Valentino: Yeah. I mean, it's a, a fact is better than fiction as you're suggesting. You know, what I don't understand is that the truth that's coming out, uh, is so dangerous, is so deep that the people that seem to be screaming the loudest.

I hate to accuse anybody of anything, but the people who seem to be screaming the loudest may in fact be the most guilty. Kind of reminds me of, uh, Shakespeare's play, uh, Hamlet. There's a line in it. Uh, talking about Caesar. He doth protested too much, 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: too much. Yes. You know, 

Gene Valentino: you know, it's, um, and, [00:24:00] and to your other point, here's, here's a book I'm reading right now, uh, Arabella by Scott.

Walter. Uh, Scott was on our show recently, and yet you see all the tags on the pages. Here he is. Um, he has opened up the deep state wrongdoers that, um, that are now in big trouble. These NGOs that have non government entities that have, um. Uh, secured millions of dollars, uh, in fact more money to support Democrat, um, uh, oriented liberal left, liberal leaning, uh, uh, judges, prosecutors, not just, uh, congressmen and senators.

There, there, there has been a plan in place going back decades, which is a deep state effort, I think, to corrupt America from within. Yes, the strength of our democracy, yes or no. The strength of our democracy has been [00:25:00] tested by this deep state operative, uh, environment that has worked intentionally, not over weeks, but over decades to take down America and the constitutional republic as we know it.

How does that relate to what I would call a medical sickness that, uh, has now, um. Is now overwhelming many people's minds without regard to fact and, uh, reality. What do you say? 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Uh, um, I say that, you know, no wonder, um, no wonder Trump is being attacked at all on all sides, you know, being supported or try, they're trying to thwart him in any case.

Um, because it's so, it's so embedded, it's so ingrained in, in Washington, and, um. And, you know, and also I think that when, when Biden, well really Obama, you know, I always like to go back to Obama because he was the one, [00:26:00] he, he is the worst president of that that we ever had. And, um, he, you know, not only in regard to he just strived, he tried to destroy America in a lot of different ways.

He also tried to destroy Israel. He also, um, you know, I think that his. His, it's not, I don't think it's coincidence. I think that his teachings, when he went to the Madras when he was a little boy, you know, um, destroy Israel, destroy the Jews, all of that, he learned that and it, it stuck with him. So, I think so, and he, of course was the puppeteer of Biden.

So when they started realizing. That Trump was gonna run, and then of course, that he was likely to win. Um, they started doing a whole bunch of things in the last, how, I don't know how long it went on the last two years, one year, but they were working very hard during that time. At least Obama was, and now we know the auto pen.

Um, you know, yeah, boy, whatever they're signing. Um, yeah. And, uh, and to make it [00:27:00] hard, you know, if, if in fact. In fact, Trump got in. So yes, it's not so, in other words, it's not just today that he's dealing with, it is a long decades of deep state that are, and, and you know, the question that I have though is I don't understand where are these people when they destroy America, if they were able to destroy America, where would they go?

I mean, does it that they all bought islands, um, or houses in other countries? I mean, if they destroy America, it would be bad for them too. But somehow that. I, I, that doesn't seem to affect them. Now. I know. You know, I, I mean, I think in some, like, uh, to some degree of the Hawaii, you know, Oprah, um, and Obama and all that, um, go to Hawaii, but I mean, seriously, not everybody can, can buy an island.

What, what were they thinking? Um, so, you know, one of the things that, one of the things that really I think was a sign, and I hope Trump, um, I don't know if he. Paid [00:28:00] attention. He probably, I don't know if he, it wasn't in the news very much. It was a very quiet thing. I just happened to get a glimpse of it that, um, at one point, sort of in the middle of his term, um, Biden took down the paintings, the Norman Rockwell paintings Yeah.

That were White House, and I think he replaced them with Pa pa. Pictures of himself, or I don't know what he replaced them with. I don't remember. But the point is that he took down Norman, and that is a metaphor. That is a symbol. Um, you know, Norman Rockwell paintings that is traditional America, the heart of America.

And he, you know, so he was like making a statement. Yeah. Um, this is, we're not having this anymore. 

Gene Valentino: You know, e everything you've just described runs up to the most recent event where we're watching Senator Chuck Schumer save himself from running off the cliff with the rest of the left, far left Democrats who are running themselves off the [00:29:00] cliff.

Uh, Schumer decides to back off and get behind the Republican, uh, Michael Johnson budget for the continuing res, uh, resolution for our, our budget. Uh, and, um, uh, many of the far, far left crazy Democrats, uh, just cannot buy into what Chuck Schumer's done. And talk is openly out there in the news about, um, them now wanting to replace Chuck Schumer.

Well, I always wanted to see Chuck Schumer replaced along, along with another dozen of them, uh, Maxine Waters, uh, Eric Swalwell, Adam Schiff. I could name 10 more. These folks were too far left, not to mention the a OC. Squad crowd, but, but, um, more, but this, to your first point, this you were just citing, uh, Obama era.

I happen to agree with you. I think the beginning of the deep state narrative. It's not the beginning. The acceleration of the deep [00:30:00] state narrative occurred during the Obama administration. It was perpetuated when Biden came in. Uh, Trump's first term was a blip on the screen that they had to adjust for, and uh, my concern is the many are.

Lockstep with the select few at the top in the Democrat party as compared to the many who are trying to express themselves in the Republican party. Uh, you may not like the message, but at least you're hearing, uh, different flavors of messages coming out. The Republican side yes, to me is the distinction between the Republican and the Democrat party, but.

But now it's gone further than that, which is why I wanted you on my show today. It's a sickness. It's it's a mental illness of some sort. Yes. To be so pervasive and absolute [00:31:00] where logic and reason. I mean, these people desecrating the, um, the, the Teslas out there and burning them were supporters of Elon Musk just weeks ago.

Yeah. Because of his. Pro environmental stance and his electric cars, it was, it was, it was Tesla itself that went out and put out thousands of charging stations across the country. And the Biden bill couldn't get 10 built nationwide for billions of dollars and they can't find the money. Uh, to me is a, an abuse of power and money on the Democrat side.

My question is, why are the Democrats at large so stupid not to see there being, uh, pushed into a Stockholm syndrome type of mentality to me is, uh, beyond the pale. I think something serious needs to come of it now, to put an end. To what I [00:32:00] would call this, um, Trump derangement syndrome, not as a sickness itself.

I'm seeing more specifically a stop or a halt to the Democrat terrorist level takeover of this nation. Your comment. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Well, I think, um, couple of things. I think first of all, um, there needs to be punishment, more direct and quicker punishment for people who are doing these kinds of outrageous things. Just like, um, the student protestors at the colleges, you know, if the punishment is, is clear, you know what it's gonna be.

And swift and, and serious, you know, like in, uh, at Columbia for example. They, you know, to the extent that they arrested anybody. And of course it was very few people, but even then they let them go. They took them through the station and they let them go. So in other words, all the colleges, all the students, all the protestors realized there's really, we can keep doing this.[00:33:00] 

Same thing with, with the domestic terrorists. Um, I mean, they are domestic terrorists too, actually, or real, real terrorists. Um, I, uh, you know, the, the, the protestors are essentially Hamas. Yeah. But so the same with the, with the uh, TDS, you know, people who are like burning the Teslas, they need to be caught quickly and they need to be hit with severe punishments, you know, not just a slap on the wrist.

Gene Valentino: I am so glad you came on this show. Today we're talking with Dr. Carol Lieberman and folks. She's a psychiatrist, a well-known psychiatrist, been on C-N-N-O-A-N-N, Fox News, other outlets, and, uh, court, TV and RAV, real America Voices, Dr. Lieberman. Is talking about this Trump derangement syndrome as it relates to, um, uh, the, the, the in the current condition of [00:34:00] thinking in America today.

Uh, it's gone too far and I did not prompt you to say anything about penalties for, uh, wrongdoers. I'm so glad you brought it up, doctor. I propose a 28th amendment to this constitution. We have 27 amendments now, all in place to do what, uh, clarify and define things better. Uh, an improvement, uh, clarity on rights, entitlements, uh, of freedoms, liberties, things that were ill-defined in the original document created is why America over the few hundred years created.

Amendments. I propose a new one. Yes. The 28th Amendment. And we're only gonna be able to get it done with hopefully midterm elections this year. Uh, uh, the, um, a super majority developing in the house and the Senate would give the president the capability to, to fast track [00:35:00] a 28th amendment. I propose a 28th amendment, unlike the other 27, that punishes elected officials, their agents and staff, uh, department heads and agencies that use the authority and power of their office to work at cross purposes against political adversaries or opponents.

Doing so should be not only a civil crime, but a, a felony. It should be a criminal, uh, uh, it should be a crime that puts them in jail, uh, not only civil penalties of money, but puts them in jail. You cannot use the office you've been elected to, to promote an action or a deep state operation against your political opponents.

That just happened to disagree with you during a prior [00:36:00] campaigning process, to me, goes against the constitution of this United States. It's, it, it quas and stifles free speech. It is, uh, it creates fear and intimidation, uh, of free speech. And now the judiciary is in plain sight. Uh, Leticia James, uh, Jack Smith.

Alvin Bragg, and I could name another dozen 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: who have 

Gene Valentino: used their office now in the judiciary. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: That's true. 

Gene Valentino: And the guy who took the most bullets of that is 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Trump. 

Gene Valentino: Donald Trump. Sure. And, and ma. And now who's now, who's taking some bullets? Uh, Elon Musk. And now the Judici a, a federal district, uh, judge, somewhere in the west area, west coast area, uh, is, is trying to, uh, counterman, uh, Donald Trump's decision to remove terrorists from this nation is somehow to be overridden by an area [00:37:00] judge.

That, um, this is to me a, a misstep and an overstep. And it was funded by the George Soros. Yes. Bill Gates, Zuckerberg crowd. I could name 10 more. That worked to fund a deep state operations doctor. Yes. Over the last 10 years, no wonder people have mental incapacity and, and are stressed over certain situations in their lifestyle today.

Your comment? 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Well, you know, um. Yes. That's, that's an interesting proposition. You know, another way of, of, uh, trying to, um. Fix this is, um, if psychiatrists, you know, that's why I am right gonna be writing this in a, in a, a form that psychiatrists are sort of used to, um, as a diagnosis, a Trump for Trump derangement syndrome if they were to actually take this, uh, seriously, you know, um, and, and see it as a mental illness and try to help people with TDS.

[00:38:00] However, uh, unfortunately. I think that would work for some psychiatrists, but unfortunately a lot of psychiatrists have tts and so they wouldn't really, they wouldn't really see it as a problem in their patients. You remember when, um, there was this, this group of, of, it wasn't just psychiatrists, it was mental health professionals.

Um, duty to warn. I think there have been a couple of these groups, but one of them was duty to warn when they went up against Trump in his first term. Yes, yes, yes. They've been against him for years and they, even though, you know, there's the, uh, Goldwater thing where you're not supposed to talk about people who you haven't, haven't, uh, examined, you know, and I do that all the time, quite frankly, but I usually acknowledge that I haven't examined them.

And so they, so they call it duty to warn as the way of getting around that, because they're saying that yes, okay, they haven't met Trump. But, um, but they have a, there is [00:39:00] something, a duty to warn if you think someone is going to be dangerous. You know, if, if you have a patient just. Any kind of regular patient who tells you or, uh, that they're dreaming of kill, killing somebody or thinking of killing somebody or, you know, do doing some harm to someone, you do have the duty to call the police and to warn that person.

So that is how they get around the fact that they never met Trump. Um, and they, you know, and they're saying all kinds of things about how crazy he malignant narcissist is, is what they call him primarily. Well, 

Gene Valentino: what's that? What's that term? Malignant. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Malignant narcissist, Uhhuh. Uh, 

Gene Valentino: interesting. You know, I've, I, we watch what's happened over the years and we see it growing now.

What is your prescription for a cure for someone with TDS? How do you, I. Manage the, I'm hypothetically speaking, if, uh, someone came into your office as a patient and, uh, was, uh, screaming about the [00:40:00] insanity of, uh, Donald Trump winning and, and the fact that the world's coming to an end now and they now are at a point where you see they might become.

Actionable. They might be doing things like what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania not too long ago. Uh, what, what do you do to help that kind of person, uh, with their own wellness? 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Well, um, 

Gene Valentino: what do you tell them? Is it, is it you don't just put 'em on Valium, you, you must be telling them. Well, 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: well, I mean, it kind of, that's, it is a, it is a conundrum because, um.

You wouldn't necessarily, I mean, depending upon what they do, like if they are somebody who is calling, uh, swatting people. 

Gene Valentino: Yeah. That 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: at a, that's at a top level. You know, that's not just thinking, oh, I hate Trump. I hate Trump. Um, you know, if they're, it's actionable, dangerous, yes. Yeah. Um, and so you do have a duty to warn.

I mean, you know, [00:41:00] I guess you could call the White House, call the police, but, but you see, the problem is. At this point, and it might, you know, I've been saying that you have to give, they have to, you have to give them time that they're gonna, as they see that Trump is doing all these wonderful things for America, they're gonna come to realize that this is a good thing.

But, you know, now I'm, I'm coming to see as maybe, um, not it's, it isn't going away, you know, like the Tesla things or the latest thing or the swatting is the latest thing. It's not just talking about it. And, um. I mean, I'd hate to see you. Could you do kind of have to evaluate, is this, does this fall into some other kind of psychiatric disorder for the time being like, is it psycho?

Is the person psychotic? Um, do they need an antipsychotic? Do they need, um, an anti-anxiety medication or an antidepressive? Now I'm not a big one about just giving medications to, I mean, they obviously therapy, but the problem is, and I've had this problem Yeah. That if you [00:42:00] try to talk in a regular therapy session and to calm people down and tell them that, you know, to point out that these are good things that are gonna be happening for America.

Yeah. They don't wanna believe you, and then they would just think that, well, you are, you must be one of them. And so I, I'm gonna leave you, I mean, you know, group therapy might be helpful, but, um, talking, you know, it is, it has to be a combination of things, but I, I strongly, um, believe that, um, you know, it's really sad.

This is a whole other issue, but I just wanna point out. It really is sad what has happened to, um, American psychiatrists that, or not just American, but to psychiatrists these days because insurance companies in America don't pay, um, for psychiatrist or don't pay a sufficient amount for psychiatrists to do therapy.

You know, ah, a 45 minute, uh, session of psychotherapy, uh, they don't pay enough for that. Like you, in other words, you could only see eight people [00:43:00] a day doing, spending an hour with them. Um. Whereas if you become a pill pusher psychiatrist, I mean, I, I have been so appalled by psychiatrists falling under this.

I know they have to pay their mortgages and all that, but what psych has become, um, psychiatrists have become pill pushers because then they see somebody for 15 minutes, half an hour and once a month, once every three months. Yeah. And they get. Skills. And of course that doesn't work because you need therapy for any kind of problem, you know, to get to the root of it.

And, um, so they send them off with prescriptions that doesn't work. So they come back and they give them another prescription. So they, some people are on five and six medications these days. Oh my words. It doesn't, it doesn't work. You need to do the therapy to get to the bottom of it. So I get theoretically one could do therapy.

Get to like, what is it? I mean, this would be the real thing. What is it that you don't like about Donald Trump? And this is where we get to what I was talking about before. Like, is he too, you know, [00:44:00] um, self-confident, you compare yourself to him and you don't measure up. And so that's why you hate him and that's why you hate everything that he says that we should do.

I mean, it really comes down to that, um, getting to. 

Gene Valentino: That's interesting. Yeah. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Getting to why the person hates them because they're, it's really self-loathing. It's, it's insecurity, it's low self-esteem. 

Gene Valentino: Well, I've been around the track a few years now, and I look back at the history of, um, uh, president since I've been alive since Eisenhower, and I'm, and I've never seen a president like Donald Trump do so much, so fast, so quickly.

Uh, uh, I'm not a doctor, but, uh, medically speaking, I would distinguish. Between him and every other president we've had in the sense that he's moved a mountain literally overnight, and it is not, um, normal to see him do so much so fast, so quickly. So many things on [00:45:00] parallel paths. Uh, major news announcements coming out this morning.

Donald Trump and Secretary of Defense, Pete, Seth. Have a big announcement at the White House this morning, uh, while we are recording this podcast, and, um, you know, major things are happening overnight, simultaneously. That's not normal. That's, that's quite transformative. And Donald Trump would argue back to you and say.

But doctor, I don't have 18 years, uh, like the Deep State. Did I have less than four years to try to fix the ship That has been going down a very serious, uh, uh, pathway, uh, of self-destruction? And, and, and one would argue he's probably right, but I think. In one level, he saved this nation from collapse in another level.

Now we [00:46:00] must accept, accept the things we cannot change and change the things we can, which is something I live by. And I think I can accept the fact that he's got some things going that maybe I don't understand, and that instead of passing judgment. Uh, on the sidelines with not, and without complete information and then forming an an, an emotional response to it based on half truths or no truths is something I best not do for my own wellness.

I. Maybe I should accept the things I cannot change uhhuh and change the things I can. The one thing I can change is me. And what I can do is become better informed. So before I formed the opinion about Dr. Carol Lieberman, I. Pro or con, I best learn a little bit more about her and come to, and by the way, I've kinda liked what I've seen so [00:47:00] far.

Thank you. This is, by the way, this is a real treat. I appreciate you being with me today on GrassRoots TruthCast and I know we're running outta time, but I just want you to hear what I think is maybe, uh, something that the medical community, this is my 2 cents, uh, that maybe the medical community doesn't understand.

He's turning a monstrous ship, literally pivoting overnight in the dark. And many people are having trouble understanding that, and I fear that if he doesn't do that, we may lose our nation. What do you think? 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Well, we certainly would have if Kamala had gotten in, you know? Absolutely. Um, yes, I think, I think people should at least give him credit.

For, I mean, how many men, how many women, how many people would have continued to run for president after having two, [00:48:00] um, assassination attempts? Um, or was it, or was it just one while he was running? I can't remember when the, the golf 

Gene Valentino: course was. Well, there, there was an actual assassination attempt with the shooting of a gun, but there was a second.

Probability of an assassination attempt in, in his perimeter of his Mar-a-Lago property. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Right. But I'm having trouble remembering whether the Mar-a-Lago incident was before or after he was actually elected president. I think it was before. I don't remember. But anyway, yes, it was, it was 

Gene Valentino: before. 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Okay. So he went on, despite these two attempts to, to be killed, he went on and continued to run for president.

That should show people that, um, where his heart is. That he really cares more. He's willing to risk That's right. His life. Continue to risk his life to be president, to make these changes. Yeah. I mean, he should get credit for that at least. Of course, you know, people who think he has a malignant narcissist would say, well, of course he's gonna do that.

He's a narcissist. He just wants to be [00:49:00] president at all costs. Yeah. 

Gene Valentino: Yeah, well, you could say that too about the Democrat party, uh, and putting in, uh, people that are, were propped up for the job, that were totally unqualified. They were more concerned about, about maintaining control, power, and money, uh, than they were.

Um, uh. What was in the greater good or the best interest of the nation? And I think when people come to that sobriety of thinking, I think the distinction will be, be clearer. Look, I say what I, to you again, what I said in the beginning, and I really do appreciate your response. I don't care if you like me.

I just want you to vote for me because you believe I'm getting the job done for you. You know, uh, we don't have to live with each other at 10 o'clock at night or two in the morning. We have to live with each other during the day when we're trying to survive, and, uh, I wanna put someone into office who's gonna do their damnedest to fix this nation and make it better for my [00:50:00] children and grandchildren.

I don't, I, I, I really don't care if you like me. I care more about. The wellness of this nation. Hey, we're coming up on 250 years, uh, of a, a celebration, the longest standing governance in America, in the world, uh, and in American history. And, and it's uh, and to me it, we must be doing something right for it to survive so long 'cause no other government has done so.

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Yes. Well, let's hope this is, uh, the beginning of, you know, that, that Republicans keep getting in after this. I mean, at least now, even if someone, well, there are even the people who are still, um, setting up. The, uh, assassinate assess assassins. Um, you know, there are now they know at least that there are people behind Trump.

JD Vance has proven himself really to be, uh, uh, you know, I wasn't so sure about him when Shrug first picked him, but he's really proven himself to be a very solid guy. So I, yeah, he 

Gene Valentino: stepped, [00:51:00] yeah, he stepped up with, um, uh, when he defended Trump with Zelinsky in the White House, 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: right. So, you know, it's not as easy as, uh, we, it wouldn't be gone.

Republicans wouldn't be gone. Of course. You know, I'm not, I'm not suggesting that it's a good idea, but I, I just hope people realize that that's not, that, that wouldn't do anything. 

Gene Valentino: Doctor, in our last 60 seconds, would you like to offer any closing comments? Your website, your contact information, your current book where we can get it?

Anything you'd like? 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: Sure. Um, well, I would like people to go to, uh, one of my websites, which is terrorist therapist.com and on there, um, there's a lot of stuff, but particularly these videos that I created that I have going around nine 11, the anniversary for the last four years on a mobile truck. And now I also created one.

I did one for October 7th. This is the first time this year and that is about shows you just how dangerous, how much on the verge we are, how there are [00:52:00] terrorists in our midst, and how we have to be much more aware of all of that. So that was terrorist therapists.com and my book, lions and Tigers and terrorists, omi, how to protect Your Child in a Time of Terror.

Gene Valentino: This has been a very interesting, almost one hour of time. I've had ladies and gentlemen with Dr. Carol Lieberman, uh, uh, America's psychiatrist. I know who I'll be calling based on what we've had a conversation over today. I know who I'm calling if I need one. Doctor, thank you very much. And I didn't mention it, but you also worked on, uh, analysis of the o OJ Simpson, uh, case and, um, the Jeffrey Epstein, uh, situation.

That insight has been very, um, intuitive, very insightful, and I thank you for that contribution. Uh, and thank you for joining me here today on GrassRoots TruthCast 

Dr. Carole Lieberman: well, thank you. It was a pleasure. 

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